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		<title>By: Mat Tham</title>
		<link>http://yeinjee.com/malaysia/2007/the-dilemma-of-malaysian-pig-farmers/#comment-7661</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat Tham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled upon this blog while surfing...anyway...what is the big problem here? 

It was legal yesterday but it is illegal today. The world revolves, life goes on...and one day you will have to be ushered into a coffin...big beer bellied, toddy ass or tuak stomach.

May be the real issue is pig is untouchable to half of the population in Malaysia. That is the main problem, and worst it is polluting the environment.

Well, may be the approach by the G men was not so nice. With Mr. K, having no other environmental issue, highlighted it in the media....to be sensationalized and to cover up certain more pressing issue in Malaysia.

But then again, conventional ways of pig farming is totally outdated. Call it the khinzir or babi yesterday the wednesday.

I totally agree with the Projek Khinzir Negara where you have one specific land  to rear pigs with certain subsidies coming from the G men.

It will soothes the hearts of certain beer bellied womanizer corrupter, but still mosque going individuals that the harams are far away from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled upon this blog while surfing&#8230;anyway&#8230;what is the big problem here? </p>
<p>It was legal yesterday but it is illegal today. The world revolves, life goes on&#8230;and one day you will have to be ushered into a coffin&#8230;big beer bellied, toddy ass or tuak stomach.</p>
<p>May be the real issue is pig is untouchable to half of the population in Malaysia. That is the main problem, and worst it is polluting the environment.</p>
<p>Well, may be the approach by the G men was not so nice. With Mr. K, having no other environmental issue, highlighted it in the media&#8230;.to be sensationalized and to cover up certain more pressing issue in Malaysia.</p>
<p>But then again, conventional ways of pig farming is totally outdated. Call it the khinzir or babi yesterday the wednesday.</p>
<p>I totally agree with the Projek Khinzir Negara where you have one specific land  to rear pigs with certain subsidies coming from the G men.</p>
<p>It will soothes the hearts of certain beer bellied womanizer corrupter, but still mosque going individuals that the harams are far away from them.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://yeinjee.com/malaysia/2007/the-dilemma-of-malaysian-pig-farmers/#comment-6723</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you guys have stopped this argument between chinese and pig farmers and government for a long while but I just wanna add my input with some solid facts and experiences.

 The truth, I believe, is that the governmental officials cannot work with farmers because both go head to head on the argument. None wants to give way. One of the reasons the farmers cannot give way is because the governmental officials cannot be trusted. They are so crooked that they barely keep their word so, like the author said...what if the gov. officials are playing the farmers? 

My dad is involved in waste water treatment for this 1 farm and the treatment is so good that you can practically drink the treated water immediately. But you know what?! the gov. officials are still trying so hard to find a loophole in the waste management system that they even go INTO the farm to check ALL water ways. officially(if i&#039;ve not mistaken), they are only meant to check the treat water and what flows into public domain. So, in the end, RAFT...dont blame it on the farmers. The gov. officials are often to be blamed for.

If you didnt know, the efforts of improving the pig/pork industry in overseas(UK,US,Denmark,Australia,THAILAND) are done with the co-operation of farmers AND GOVERNMENT. If you think government of 3rd-world countries dont help farmers, you&#039;re wrong! I listed Thailand as well. Their government spend few million helping these farmers coz they know not all farmers can afford such big changes AND THIS INCLUDES WASTE MANAGEMENT! I&#039;m not giving you opinions. I&#039;ve read researches and official articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you guys have stopped this argument between chinese and pig farmers and government for a long while but I just wanna add my input with some solid facts and experiences.</p>
<p> The truth, I believe, is that the governmental officials cannot work with farmers because both go head to head on the argument. None wants to give way. One of the reasons the farmers cannot give way is because the governmental officials cannot be trusted. They are so crooked that they barely keep their word so, like the author said&#8230;what if the gov. officials are playing the farmers? </p>
<p>My dad is involved in waste water treatment for this 1 farm and the treatment is so good that you can practically drink the treated water immediately. But you know what?! the gov. officials are still trying so hard to find a loophole in the waste management system that they even go INTO the farm to check ALL water ways. officially(if i&#8217;ve not mistaken), they are only meant to check the treat water and what flows into public domain. So, in the end, RAFT&#8230;dont blame it on the farmers. The gov. officials are often to be blamed for.</p>
<p>If you didnt know, the efforts of improving the pig/pork industry in overseas(UK,US,Denmark,Australia,THAILAND) are done with the co-operation of farmers AND GOVERNMENT. If you think government of 3rd-world countries dont help farmers, you&#8217;re wrong! I listed Thailand as well. Their government spend few million helping these farmers coz they know not all farmers can afford such big changes AND THIS INCLUDES WASTE MANAGEMENT! I&#8217;m not giving you opinions. I&#8217;ve read researches and official articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Chee Heng King</title>
		<link>http://yeinjee.com/malaysia/2007/the-dilemma-of-malaysian-pig-farmers/#comment-5202</link>
		<dc:creator>Chee Heng King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fault for this problem is COMPLETELY on the governments side. The pig farmers cannot build the waste management facilities, it&#039;s not because they don&#039;t want to. They cannot, not when the government officials refuse to grant them permits. 

The problem over here lies with the way the government has handled this. If they were to issue temporary permits and state conditions to the pig farmers to continue on with their permits, conditions like(putting in a waste management facility) and enforce their conditions, there would not be any sort of problems like this. Why will they not issue enough permits? Simple enough. They want the pig farmers bribe money. It&#039;s plain corruption that has led to this problem. 

    At the end of the day these pig farmers are running a business. There are risks that come with the business, you can call them greedy and selfish, but the fact is, for every 1 of this successful business. there are 9 others that have failed that you don&#039;t see. So nobody can say that the reason these chinese BUSINESSMAN are successful is because they are greedy or because they don&#039;t care about the environment, their simply the ones who managed to weather the waves and come out on top. They went through tough times and today their making money. 

    The government trying to get rid of the farmers simply because of their own incompetence in handling this issue is just typical of our Malay led government. Incompetent and corrupt. Typically, Malay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fault for this problem is COMPLETELY on the governments side. The pig farmers cannot build the waste management facilities, it&#8217;s not because they don&#8217;t want to. They cannot, not when the government officials refuse to grant them permits. </p>
<p>The problem over here lies with the way the government has handled this. If they were to issue temporary permits and state conditions to the pig farmers to continue on with their permits, conditions like(putting in a waste management facility) and enforce their conditions, there would not be any sort of problems like this. Why will they not issue enough permits? Simple enough. They want the pig farmers bribe money. It&#8217;s plain corruption that has led to this problem. </p>
<p>    At the end of the day these pig farmers are running a business. There are risks that come with the business, you can call them greedy and selfish, but the fact is, for every 1 of this successful business. there are 9 others that have failed that you don&#8217;t see. So nobody can say that the reason these chinese BUSINESSMAN are successful is because they are greedy or because they don&#8217;t care about the environment, their simply the ones who managed to weather the waves and come out on top. They went through tough times and today their making money. </p>
<p>    The government trying to get rid of the farmers simply because of their own incompetence in handling this issue is just typical of our Malay led government. Incompetent and corrupt. Typically, Malay.</p>
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		<title>By: aku</title>
		<link>http://yeinjee.com/malaysia/2007/the-dilemma-of-malaysian-pig-farmers/#comment-3059</link>
		<dc:creator>aku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just go back to china if u chinese dont like to be malaysian lor...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just go back to china if u chinese dont like to be malaysian lor&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://yeinjee.com/malaysia/2007/the-dilemma-of-malaysian-pig-farmers/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>appbennndaahhhhhhhhhhh</description>
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		<title>By: yoyo the toyol</title>
		<link>http://yeinjee.com/malaysia/2007/the-dilemma-of-malaysian-pig-farmers/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>yoyo the toyol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raft the pinhead expert,

As a chinese, i trully understand the idiotic of many chinese businessman. It is a kind of art, how to make profit with big margins. Due to stiff external competition and global economic downturn nowadays,...many goes bankrupt, many used to be director of companies are now hawkers. There are differences between made in malaysia chinese and made in china chinese, the made in malaysia chinese is malaysian citizen. The middle and rich made in malaysia chinese has little problem with their life but the poor ones has difficulties. Not only the chinese but also malays, indians and others. This is the most important issue the government has to solve. Equality among all race is not to be debate due to larger amount of poor malays compare to chinese, this i agree. 

Since chinese is so good in earning big bucks, why not let a chinese to be minister of finance with authorities only to propose projects which will make big bucks for malaysia under the prime minister supervision? Do you agree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raft the pinhead expert,</p>
<p>As a chinese, i trully understand the idiotic of many chinese businessman. It is a kind of art, how to make profit with big margins. Due to stiff external competition and global economic downturn nowadays,&#8230;many goes bankrupt, many used to be director of companies are now hawkers. There are differences between made in malaysia chinese and made in china chinese, the made in malaysia chinese is malaysian citizen. The middle and rich made in malaysia chinese has little problem with their life but the poor ones has difficulties. Not only the chinese but also malays, indians and others. This is the most important issue the government has to solve. Equality among all race is not to be debate due to larger amount of poor malays compare to chinese, this i agree. </p>
<p>Since chinese is so good in earning big bucks, why not let a chinese to be minister of finance with authorities only to propose projects which will make big bucks for malaysia under the prime minister supervision? Do you agree?</p>
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		<title>By: yoyo</title>
		<link>http://yeinjee.com/malaysia/2007/the-dilemma-of-malaysian-pig-farmers/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>yoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay Raft (or is it the pinhead expert)

...cool already. So you will not listen to anybody except &quot;experts&quot;? I am chinese, so you dont have to point to me why the chinese pig farmers in kuala sungai baru are fuckers. Just one question to you, why after so many years the authorities didnt take action regarding pollution on that area? i will answer you, it is because there are corruption involving authorities. So please refer to government officials regarding pollution on that area,...dont just blame the chinese pig farmers lar, they are too making living...what if these chinese pig farmers lose money? who will pay their loses? government arr? you arr?

The civilised countries such as australia, new zealand and canada of course knows how to deal with chinese immigrants. They talk about human rights, law and order, justice, equality, and security. You see raft, there is no government officials waving sword, there are dialogues and debates on how to improve everything, the government cannot act like samseng and commit attrocities against any minority in their country...you understand?...there is no favourtism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay Raft (or is it the pinhead expert)</p>
<p>&#8230;cool already. So you will not listen to anybody except &#8220;experts&#8221;? I am chinese, so you dont have to point to me why the chinese pig farmers in kuala sungai baru are fuckers. Just one question to you, why after so many years the authorities didnt take action regarding pollution on that area? i will answer you, it is because there are corruption involving authorities. So please refer to government officials regarding pollution on that area,&#8230;dont just blame the chinese pig farmers lar, they are too making living&#8230;what if these chinese pig farmers lose money? who will pay their loses? government arr? you arr?</p>
<p>The civilised countries such as australia, new zealand and canada of course knows how to deal with chinese immigrants. They talk about human rights, law and order, justice, equality, and security. You see raft, there is no government officials waving sword, there are dialogues and debates on how to improve everything, the government cannot act like samseng and commit attrocities against any minority in their country&#8230;you understand?&#8230;there is no favourtism.</p>
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		<title>By: Raft</title>
		<link>http://yeinjee.com/malaysia/2007/the-dilemma-of-malaysian-pig-farmers/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>Raft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now Yoyo (or is it Toyol)

.... cool it a bit there. Just because someone give a true perspective about what is going on in Kuala Sungai Baru (compare to the owner of this blog who is trying to divert the attention from the real issue and turning it into a RACIAL one), you want to follow suit as well??!!! Come on open up a bit la. Those Chinese pig farmers in Kuala Sungai Baru are a real FUCKERS. I mean if the Malay or Indian there rear pigs to get big bucks and in return pollute the environment, I will also call them FUCKERS. Don&#039;t sway along the line talking about banking la, when clearly you are not an expert in it. I mean, I don&#039;t want to sway by telling half truth story that generally Chinese are pest on this earth where clearly they make a mess where ever they migrated to places like Vancouver, Australia, New Zealand and for that matter Malaysia too; coz obviously I&#039;m not expert in this. So lets keep it simple..... PIG FARMING POLLUTES THE ENVIRONMENT MORE SO WHEN ITS DONE BY GREEDY CHINESE FARMERS LIKE IN KUALA SUNGAI BARU. EVEN THE CHINESE SINGAPOREAN GOVERTMENT ALSO DOESN&quot;T ALLOW SUCH HIGHLY LUCRATIVE INDUSTRY COZ THE DAMAGE TO ENVIRONMENT IS ALMOST IRREVERSABLE! PERIOD!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Yoyo (or is it Toyol)</p>
<p>&#8230;. cool it a bit there. Just because someone give a true perspective about what is going on in Kuala Sungai Baru (compare to the owner of this blog who is trying to divert the attention from the real issue and turning it into a RACIAL one), you want to follow suit as well??!!! Come on open up a bit la. Those Chinese pig farmers in Kuala Sungai Baru are a real FUCKERS. I mean if the Malay or Indian there rear pigs to get big bucks and in return pollute the environment, I will also call them FUCKERS. Don&#8217;t sway along the line talking about banking la, when clearly you are not an expert in it. I mean, I don&#8217;t want to sway by telling half truth story that generally Chinese are pest on this earth where clearly they make a mess where ever they migrated to places like Vancouver, Australia, New Zealand and for that matter Malaysia too; coz obviously I&#8217;m not expert in this. So lets keep it simple&#8230;.. PIG FARMING POLLUTES THE ENVIRONMENT MORE SO WHEN ITS DONE BY GREEDY CHINESE FARMERS LIKE IN KUALA SUNGAI BARU. EVEN THE CHINESE SINGAPOREAN GOVERTMENT ALSO DOESN&#8221;T ALLOW SUCH HIGHLY LUCRATIVE INDUSTRY COZ THE DAMAGE TO ENVIRONMENT IS ALMOST IRREVERSABLE! PERIOD!!!</p>
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		<title>By: YeinJee</title>
		<link>http://yeinjee.com/malaysia/2007/the-dilemma-of-malaysian-pig-farmers/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>YeinJee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raft...  I am not from Sungai Baru, and I didn&#039;t assume that I am an expert of the pig issue at all.  I am just sharing my stories and my thoughts.

I don&#039;t deny that pig farming could be disastrous to the environment, just like lots of the other industry if it is not managed properly.  The key to the situation is to find a solution that could settle the problem once and for all.

Killing the pigs could reduce the pollution in a small margin.  The feces and waste will still flow into the water if no proper waste management systems are installed.  I don&#039;t want to repeat every word again what I have written in my original post...  it is a chicken and egg story, and the pig farmers and the government will have to work on a solution for that.

I have also mentioned that the call for pig culling is based largely on environmental reasons... but I strongly doubt that there are no racial sentiment at all.  Again, as written in my post... the racial issue I mentioned is not about this very moment, but has been stretching for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raft&#8230;  I am not from Sungai Baru, and I didn&#8217;t assume that I am an expert of the pig issue at all.  I am just sharing my stories and my thoughts.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t deny that pig farming could be disastrous to the environment, just like lots of the other industry if it is not managed properly.  The key to the situation is to find a solution that could settle the problem once and for all.</p>
<p>Killing the pigs could reduce the pollution in a small margin.  The feces and waste will still flow into the water if no proper waste management systems are installed.  I don&#8217;t want to repeat every word again what I have written in my original post&#8230;  it is a chicken and egg story, and the pig farmers and the government will have to work on a solution for that.</p>
<p>I have also mentioned that the call for pig culling is based largely on environmental reasons&#8230; but I strongly doubt that there are no racial sentiment at all.  Again, as written in my post&#8230; the racial issue I mentioned is not about this very moment, but has been stretching for years.</p>
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		<title>By: yoyo</title>
		<link>http://yeinjee.com/malaysia/2007/the-dilemma-of-malaysian-pig-farmers/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>yoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raft

Hey puki taik melayu, why are fucking chinese and then say it is a non racial issue? Cant you just say fucking pig farmers in kuala sungai baru? We the chinese make our big buck with wits and cunnings. Where is these fucking chinese save the money? Bank? so the bank is inside malaysia, right? and the bank will use the money to earn money, right? and been taxed by government, right? and then government &quot;gives&quot; the taxs money to bumiputra more, right? ASK YOUR GOVERNMENT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT CAN MINIMISE THE POLLUTION LAR. DONT JUST COLLECT MONEY ONLY, WORK LAR.

Puki taik raft, watch words and dont pretend to be clever. In fact you are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raft</p>
<p>Hey puki taik melayu, why are fucking chinese and then say it is a non racial issue? Cant you just say fucking pig farmers in kuala sungai baru? We the chinese make our big buck with wits and cunnings. Where is these fucking chinese save the money? Bank? so the bank is inside malaysia, right? and the bank will use the money to earn money, right? and been taxed by government, right? and then government &#8220;gives&#8221; the taxs money to bumiputra more, right? ASK YOUR GOVERNMENT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT CAN MINIMISE THE POLLUTION LAR. DONT JUST COLLECT MONEY ONLY, WORK LAR.</p>
<p>Puki taik raft, watch words and dont pretend to be clever. In fact you are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Raft</title>
		<link>http://yeinjee.com/malaysia/2007/the-dilemma-of-malaysian-pig-farmers/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Raft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yein Jee

If you are not from Kuala Sungai Baru, don&#039;t assume you are an expert on the issue of pig farming there. I am from there and I know how bad the pig farming industry has turn the small kampung into. Ever since I can remember the stench passing by Paya Mengkuang has been there since god knows when. What about the rivers there? Sungai Baru, Sungai Tuang ... all are DEAD coz of this FUCKING CHINESE PIG FARMERS!!! Where are the so called enviromentalist to condemn this FUCKING CHINESE PIG FARMERS??? The so called champion of the earth. IT IS A NON RACIAL ISSUE!!! IT IS A SIMPLE ISSUE WHERE A SMALL GROUP OF GREEDY CHINESE PIG FARMERS MAKING BIG BUCKS BY SELLING THEIR PIGS TO CHINESE SINGAPOREAN AND IN RETURN POLLUTING THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT OF KUALA SUNGAI BARU!!! PERIOD!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yein Jee</p>
<p>If you are not from Kuala Sungai Baru, don&#8217;t assume you are an expert on the issue of pig farming there. I am from there and I know how bad the pig farming industry has turn the small kampung into. Ever since I can remember the stench passing by Paya Mengkuang has been there since god knows when. What about the rivers there? Sungai Baru, Sungai Tuang &#8230; all are DEAD coz of this FUCKING CHINESE PIG FARMERS!!! Where are the so called enviromentalist to condemn this FUCKING CHINESE PIG FARMERS??? The so called champion of the earth. IT IS A NON RACIAL ISSUE!!! IT IS A SIMPLE ISSUE WHERE A SMALL GROUP OF GREEDY CHINESE PIG FARMERS MAKING BIG BUCKS BY SELLING THEIR PIGS TO CHINESE SINGAPOREAN AND IN RETURN POLLUTING THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT OF KUALA SUNGAI BARU!!! PERIOD!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: yoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>yoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncleworm, beside using some better equipment to enhance the quality of your pigs (refer post #1), i advice too to at least be more generous to provide those &quot;pigs enforcers&quot; some ang pows during chinese new year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncleworm, beside using some better equipment to enhance the quality of your pigs (refer post #1), i advice too to at least be more generous to provide those &#8220;pigs enforcers&#8221; some ang pows during chinese new year.</p>
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